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00:00 time for the five. 00:04 Hello, everybody. I'm Martha McCallum, along with Kellyanne Conway, Harold Ford Jr., Joey Jones, and Thomas Shalhoub. It is five o'clock in New York City, and this is The Five. 00:19 Many leading Democrats have condemned far left streamer Hassan Piker. What is your take on him? And do you think he's a liability for Democrats? I do. 00:28 I think he's a terrible liability. I think he's got a power over some of these Democrats and he'll be voting that way. I mean, he's a communist. There's no question about it. 00:39 And the Democrats have a lot of communists. 00:43 President Trump weighing in on Abdul El-Sayed's streamer sidekick Hassan Piker as Kamala Harris is about to head to Michigan to campaign with El-Sayed next week in one of the country's biggest Senate battlegrounds. And the candidate sure that he can use all the help he can get because right now Hassan Piker is causing more campaign controversy. This time he has said in a long-ranging, wide-ranging interview with Axios that he thinks that Iran should have nuclear weapons. Watch. 01:12 Do you think Iran should be free to build a nuclear weapon? 01:16 I think Iran, much like any other sovereign nation, has a right to defend itself, regardless of its domestic policies. Do you think the Middle East would be more stable if Iran had a nuclear weapon? I believe yes. I think that the Middle East would be more stable. Having said that, once again, I'm not advocating. I'm not trying to send Iran enriched nuclear uranium. 01:40 Meanwhile, as Kamala Harris returns to the campaign trail, questions growing about her political future. Democratic megadona Reid Hoffman weighing in, turning some of his attention toward another possible 2028 contender, regardless of his big support for Harris the last time around. Now he's got his eye on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Watch. 02:00 I'm glad you brought up Kamala. Should she run again? 02:03 I think it would be a very challenging path for and it's going to be a very noisy field. 02:08 Well, that you brought up it might be a noisy field. Would you support AOC if she got the nod? 02:13 Well, it depends a little bit on... 02:17 I mean, I think she's much more pragmatic than people give her credit for. 02:23 OK, Joey, I'd love to start with you. And I want to go back to what Hassan Piker said. And I think President Trump is exactly right that he is a distraction, an unwanted distraction probably at this point. But he seems to love being in the limelight. He's doing big, long interviews, despite the fact that it may have a negative impact on some of the Democrats that he says he wants in office. But this phrase really stood out to me when he talked about Iran. He said they have a right to defend themselves regardless of of their domestic policies, which I would point out include slaughtering tens of thousands of their own people in the streets, squalor, no economy to speak of, killing gay people, zero rights for women in Iran, and chanting death to Israel with the intention of annihilation and elimination of Israel and the United States. 03:10 But he says regardless of their domestic policies, they should have a weapon. 03:13 Yeah, I agree with him in the sense of my assessment of Iran is regardless of its domestic policies. It doesn't mean I don't have sympathy or empathy for people in Iran, but I care about people in the United States and the United States citizens stationed abroad. And it's Iran's actions against its neighbors in the region and against us specifically for, I don't know, the last 40 years. that allows most Americans to support taking action against Iran. Now, this current war and where it is, a lot of people have questions. It's going to affect the midterms. And, you know, President Trump, to his credit, I guess, believes that a change that is lasting has to withstand some arrows. 03:47 And that's where we are right now. But when it comes to Hassan Piker, it's easy to laugh him off as like a radical. But what he's doing is he's taking radical ideas and making them palatable. I mean, The more El Saeed, I guess, pushes him away, the harder he's going into the paint. Hassan Piker is going on the podcast and saying the terrible thing you were talking before we started the show about what he said about Mao. And so, you know, like he's Mao did a lot of great things. It was just that cultural revolution part that was a little bit, you know, wasn't good. And so what it is, is you can't talk bad about a communist or a socialist, no matter who they are, because that's what they believe. 04:23 And so they have to repaint history. Now, Iran being authoritarian, because I guess that's what they believe as well. There are good parts about it. Let them have a nuclear weapon. It's just, you know, they have a few domestic policies I don't like. At the end of the day, Hassan Piker is a poster boy for why we should challenge birthright citizenship. His parents come here from Turkey. They go to college. They have a baby. They take him back to Turkey. They raise him there. And then he comes back here to partake in capitalism and talk bad about it. And that is someone who does not appreciate what this country is. And the fact that he's a citizen is what it is. 04:55 But it's not someone who wants to see this country succeed. He's someone that wants to see this country change from the inside out to its core. And I'm not down for that. 05:04 He basically said that he thought that China is a model society for the for the United States Herald. And here's what he said about Mao Zedong excusing the millions and millions of people who were killed in his death camps and in his execution rounds as well. Watch this. 05:22 Do you consider Mao a great leader? 05:24 When I say Mao's a great leader, I mean he's a great man of history. Okay. Yeah. Do you admire him? I think that there are things that Mao Zedong did that were unbelievably impressive. Having said that, of course, the Cultural Revolution was an abject disaster. If those things had not happened, I think we would look at Mao Zedong as probably one of the most impressive historical forces, but those things did happen nevertheless. 05:53 I mean... 05:54 Those things happen because he intended for them to happen. That's exactly right. He is. I don't even consider these views are so outside the periphery of the most extreme views in either political party in all of politics in America. And the fact in some ways I'm disappointed we've been giving this nonsense. 06:12 airtime, because he talks about it in ways, I think, to Joey's point, that he almost tries to normalize it. No Democrat, no Republican, no progressive Democrat or liberal Democrat in their right mind subscribes to any of this. I'm a conservative Democrat. I differ with him. Some members of the squad do. Let me just finish my point, Joey. I do not. I do not. I think that there are people... 06:35 I don't know of anybody in the United States Congress, regardless of where they come from in this country or their political being, who would say, I want the Iranians to have a nuclear weapon. I think it's fine if they have one. And he justified it by talking about it, which you did a little bit, too, about the human level of the people. I care about them, too, but it's their government leaders that we're most concerned about. He just talked about leaders in the past and historically who... Look, Jesus, I'm a Christian. Jesus created us all, in my estimation, and we all are perfect in his sight. 07:05 That doesn't mean we can have some evil in us. And all these people he's talking about were evil people. Now, I don't know of anybody, a Democrat or Republican in the House who's on record, and there are people who I disagree fervently with on my side of the aisle. I say it on this show twice, three times a week, and people on the other side of the aisle who would say that Mao was a pretty good guy. 07:24 that it's okay for the Iranians to have a nuclear weapon. I get it. It's fine. They did good things. 9-11, we deserve that. Now, you can nod your head all you want. I don't know if anybody... 07:35 I'm just thinking of all those trips Tim Walz took to China. So, I mean, there is some cozying up there. 07:40 But President Trump is coddling Putin. But I don't think he's a communist. My only point is this. We should all be able to agree. There's not a policy. We can differ on tax issues. We can differ on whether or not how we support Israel, which I want to and have how we believe we should talk about defunding the police. But I don't know of anybody. This guy is so outside of the periphery again of the periphery in American politics. I don't I wish we wouldn't give him the airtime that we give him. 08:08 Well, he's certainly hungry for it, and he keeps putting himself out there. And as I said, he will have likely a negative impact on some of other Democrats because he is not willing to shut up. He's loving this spotlight. 08:20 Address that if you would, Kellyanne. But I also want to hear your thoughts on Reid Hoffman sort of bending his way away from Kamala Harris after spending millions on her campaign in 2024. 08:28 So, Harold, respectfully, I know at least one person who's willing to entertain this. His name is Abdul El-Sayed. He's palling around with this guy. He will not disclaim him and the crazy by the moment things that he's saying. And I think that Hasan Piker, the person, is actually even less important than Hasan Piker, the performance artist now, because it represents how difficult it is now and will be in 2028. 08:53 for Democrats to transition from shock the conscience crazy talk in the primaries to trying to present themselves as reasonable and semi-capitalist and connected to voters, to everyday voters. 09:07 The way that some responsible Democrats wanted to distance themselves and their party from Graham Plattner and his Nazi tattoo and his abuse of women and his adultery. I think that people should be doing that now with Hassan Piker. Here's the problem with Piker. The Democratic Party has allowed itself to be infiltrated by influencers and streamers and to live online. Go and look at the FEC reports. Democrats, the Democratic National Committee is paying all these influencers, not paying economists, not paying foreign policy experts to tell you, the voters, why you should pick a Democrat or a Republican. 09:40 They're paying influencers. So even if Hassan Piker were to be pushed back, discussed on this prominent show, if today El-Sayed said, thanks, but no thanks, then he goes to hundreds, he goes to millions and millions of other people. And he has an audience anyway. So when you, you know, when you get in bed with dogs, you're going to have fleas. 10:01 Look, I want to say one thing that we didn't mention about Hassan Piker, maybe you did earlier this week. He goes from vile to violent pretty quickly. He's a scary guy, not just the dictators and the terrible murderers and rapists and homophobic misogynist leaders that he apparently is elevating. He himself said that he said about landlords that refuse to rent. their places, that they should, quote, we should go out and kill those MFers. We should soak the streets with their blood, with their capitalist blood. 10:35 This isn't just vile and violent. This isn't a difference of opinion. 10:39 And he is being embraced. The only reason we're talking about him is because the person who's ahead in the polls in Michigan and wants to be your United States senator. 10:47 You said he was just joshing around about that language about the landlords, which is not funny. Tom, I'm just every time I look at you, I think. 10:54 What do you think Joe Biden would say about Reid Hoffman? Because, you know, he he had to play nice when obviously, you know, they they stabbed him in the back. And Kamala really she did. She took it all away from him. But look, I think the obviously Hassan Piker is ridiculous. He is a podcaster. He's provocative. He does that. That's his game. But the politicians decided, I'll say it decided to pal around with him. 11:25 Why? Because they thought I can deal with this controversy because I'm I want his likes. I want his his listeners, his viewers. So he is tied to him. But if I were running against him, I think Rogers the other day said, when will you denounce? You know, he has to denounce. I don't like that denounce game. You know, I remember we tried that with Obama. When will you denounce Reverend Wright? It's like, yeah. Obama said enough goofy things himself, as did Al-Sayed. Al-Sayed is on record. He has a terrible record. He's a terrible leftist. 11:55 So denounce him. Don't say, when are you going to denounce this other guy? He's got enough bad things to his name. 12:02 Thank you. 12:02 Look, can I just say something on Reid Hoffman? Reid Hoffman is a great guy, great entrepreneur, but I could care less what he thinks about 2020. They're always wrong. I mean, at the end of the day, Reid Hoffman, if the Democrats nominate. 12:13 That's where his money is going. 12:14 Right. But it doesn't. His money will go to whomever the Democratic nominee is. And the thing that's going to decide the Democratic nominee is how Democrats perform in 2026. Is it the progressive wing of the party or is it my wing of the party that prevails? That's where the energy will be. And I promise you. I don't know Reid Hoffman. And he probably won't like me. He's going to be wherever the parties, the parties. 12:34 She said exactly what you've said. She said, I can't think about 2028 until I see what happens in 2026. And that's exactly what we're about to find out. 12:40 We should all be thinking that way. No one's going to know what's going to happen until. All right. 12:43 Coming up next, President Trump is teasing a big decision coming in the following days. Big meeting with the Gulf state leaders here in New York at the United Nations next week. Big decisions coming on Iran. 13:00 The sky keeps on turning. 13:19 President Trump is teasing a big decision on Iran, this ahead of next week's U.N. General Assembly here in New York. 13:27 There, President Trump is expected to meet with leaders from America's allies in the Middle East. 13:32 The president acknowledging that he's at a crossroads, telling Axios, I have a big decision coming up. Do I want to go in and annihilate them or do I not? It's a big decision. Anything could happen with me. 13:46 Here's the president today in the Oval Office. Watch. 13:51 People don't want to have Iran have a nuclear weapon. And you know what? They won't. And the war is going to end soon. And when it ends, your gas prices are going to drop to a level that they were before, maybe even lower. When I left Iowa, just before I started this, I had no choice. I said to my people... 14:07 We're going to have to do an excursion down to Iran, the Islamic Republic of Iran, because they're going to have a nuclear. If we don't hit them with a B-2 bombers, they right now would have a nuclear weapon. And if they hadn't, it would be a matter of days. 14:24 Joey, President Trump has been consistent about the rationale for starting this war. He said that we cannot allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon. He's been very consistent. Where are you in this? Annihilate, accommodate something in between? 14:36 Yeah, I'm on end it is where I'm at. And I would not be so arrogant as to say I know how that should happen. I know some of the parts on the periphery, such as if he's saying that he needs the Gulf states to align behind him in order to make that decision. And it seems to be kind of what he was saying. Hey, I'm going to meet with them and see what they say, see what they want. They're the ones that pulled him back more than once already. One of the reasons why is they want something from us that we don't have to give away. which is our interceptors and the ability to defend. All these states have spent a lot of money on a lot of things. 15:07 They haven't spent a lot of money on buying munitions and they haven't spent their money the way Iran has. So you talk about Saudi Arabia or Kuwait or whoever it may be, the UAE, you know, they've kind of... Position themselves as we're friends with everybody anyway, so you're going to leave us alone. And now that's being called to the carpet. They're worried about if the U.S. can essentially defend them. And I think what we're saying is it's time to invest and be able to defend yourself, and we'll be a good partner for that. That's not something that can happen overnight. So I think it's very complicated, in my opinion, and it's going to come down to what President Trump, Marco Rubio, Secretary Hague said, what they can convince the Gulf states is the best bet when it comes to aligning with us. 15:47 If that's the case and those Gulf states can batten down the hatches, take whatever Ron has left to give, then I think we could go in and finish this off. But... You know, you hear the reports. I understand very well what it takes to produce what we need. And there's a log down there. It comes from the years of bureaucracy and mismanagement of the Pentagon. Secretary headsets trying to fix that, but you can't do it overnight. 16:10 Martha, it also seems that the Iranian goods right now are not in good shape. They're kind of stuck in their own country. Iran cannot really use the Strait of Hormuz the way it wants to. 16:20 But apart from people saying gas prices are up, do you think that victory is possible here? And what does it look like to you? 16:29 Well, I think you can't have a situation where Iran and the Houthis control the two major waterways in the region. And I think the Gulf states are more aware of that really than anyone. I think when the Gulf states look at the situation in their heart of hearts, I believe that they would love for Iran to be vastly diminished, to not have any power. And before, if you back up to the Abraham Accords, we were living in a world where it looked like many of the Gulf states and hopefully soon the Saudis would basically join forces with the United States and Israel to form an economic bloc in the region that... 17:06 outside of oil, had a very strong economy. Who has never wanted to play that game? Iran. Iran needs to be continually isolated because they are not on the same page. And I realize that the Gulf states have many different goals among them. They're not a block, but they have shown that they want to advance and be part of the world economy in a way that Iran has shown no sign. of wanting to do. Now, Iran would say, well, we have been battered by these sanctions all these years and we can't elevate our own people. The president of Iran told me that in an interview the last time he was in town for the UN, that it's all everyone else's fault that they don't have any economy. 17:42 But they have put every dime they have into these weapon systems that we're seeing are more formidable than I think anybody thought. This is a difficult election issue for President Trump. And I think articulating it in a very clear way is very important because I do not think it is going to end anytime soon. And I don't think it's going to end before the election as much as he wants it to. If that happens and there's a great outcome, all the better. But we're pretty close at this point. 18:07 Tom, from the beginning, President Trump has said he hopes that the Iranian people will take over their government, that we're doing what we can. But that's not our job. 18:17 You have 300,000 Iranians going and supporting the current regime in a recent show, showing public showing. So how do you see this? 18:26 Well, it's interesting when you see 300,000 people and then you look at the video of the demonstrations. But in a country like Iran, 300,000 is not. It's a drop in the bucket. Right. But who knows? Who knows what the sentiment is on the ground there? We're talking about like, Martha, we're talking about the Gulf states in a way that. 18:45 Would you are with the people at this table, would you say that this is a true statement? The United States has better relationships with the Gulf states, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait. Then they did. Yeah. And Qatar. 19:02 Then they did during the first and the second Gulf War. Would you say that that's true? Yes. Yes. 19:08 I think relations with the with that region are stronger than ever. 19:13 And I think President Trump would be wise to stress that, to talk about that. 19:18 When you look at the at, you know, he's meeting with them. So maybe we'll have good news out of there. But this will end and it will end as a, you know, the United States is not going to come in and be the only player here. 19:32 The United States is working with the Gulf states in this. The and Iran is becoming less powerful as a result through all of this. That's the way it is going to end. And I think that stressing that that is the positive thing. 19:46 I'm not, I'm not convinced. I, I, Tom and I agree on a lot of things here. Here's why. And I think Joey was beginning to lay out or laid out some of the elements. I think we've lost our leverage as, as, and, and as we sit here currently, because we lost a lot of our allies outside of the Gulf. Now, remember whenever we have gone in and we have, uh, taken military action against the Iranians, they have responded by taking out assets of ours or attacking assets of ours in the Gulf or even attacking their Gulf neighbors, which has enraged their neighbors. But it's also reminded their Gulf neighbors that we are still powerful, too. 20:19 We have depleted a lot of our munitions for, obviously, there as well as in Ukraine. And the U.S. people, the country, we don't have the will to go to war. So the leverage, I think, has shifted. Not because I wanted to. This is not a statement of support for this. But the leverage has shifted to the Iranians because what has really come out of this is that they control the Straits of Hormuz and that other economic passageway. So if you're on the Iranian side, I said I think about this a lot because I care about this. And as we all do, I think the Iranians, to your point about wanting it to end, I do, too. 20:51 I think the Iranians are going to say, OK, we'll end it. If you guys promise to stop attacking us, we'll end it if you give us money to help us rebuild our country. And we might not charge you in the economic passageways. That, unfortunately, is where we are in this conversation, because the president said in the last two days, I'm going to think about this. We put the quote up. I'm going to go big or not. If he goes big, they're going to attack our Gulf neighbors. Gas prices will go up. And if he does nothing, they will continue to say he always talks. And he never does anything. I don't envy the position. 21:22 I'm not rooting for the president to be in this bad position. But we are in a position where we have lost leverage from March 1st, as we sit here almost on October 1st. And I can tell you one thing no politician wants. And we can say what we want to say about the president. He is strong. He wants to have no weapons. But if he attacks, gas prices are going up. 21:42 And nobody wants gas prices to go up. The Iranian regime is decapitated. That's where you're not taking account to the leverage. 21:50 But if they're so decapitated, how are they still controlling the passageway? I agree. What it was is not. But there's something else there. And we kid ourselves if we don't think the Soviets... or the Russians, as you welcome, the Soviets are helping them to rebuild and reconstitute. 22:05 And the Chinese targeting and sending them the equipment that they need to continue to rebuild. And I think that's a huge issue here that has to be addressed. They do not have this level of confidence on their own. They have it because they have backup. 22:16 I agree. 22:17 We have what we need. We're not at a deficit of munitions, people or even will in our military. The leverage that you see us losing is here at home with midterms on the horizon. I don't think President Trump is even playing that game. I think he's playing that game abroad because he knows he has to win this at this point. Opening the Strait of Hormuz isn't winning this. That's that's really accepting or conceding that there was something what the president has said. 22:41 You can you can. 22:42 I don't think Iran has leverage. I mean, they were trying to talk with Saudis, and they walked away from it because they know Iran's crazy enough to think they're going to continue to control the strait. Either Kellogg or Keene, I don't remember, said the one thing about Iran going to the strait the way they have is they know they can only do it once. 22:57 And the American people are fighting it every time they pay $5 a gallon. That's true. I don't disagree with that at all. 23:03 It's not a new war. It's one that has been going on for 47 years. Coming up next, Seattle's in crisis, but its socialist mayor is more interested in cutting off the cops. 23:14 Last night you were in my room. 23:34 It's socialism versus safety in Seattle. Some residents and key business leaders have been begging for more police surveillance cameras after their socialist mayor, Katie Wilson, paused plans to expand its network back in March. During an interview with local media this week, Seattle's assistant police chief, Nicole Powell, got asked whether more cameras could help solve the city's open cases. And before she could answer, Mayor Wilson jumped in. 24:00 Chief, is that a tool that could help in any of these unsolved cases? 24:07 Cameras are obviously a useful tool, right? We've seen, I think, in the bite of Seattle shooting, there's been camera footage from businesses around Seattle Center. We have cameras at Seattle Center. Those cameras have been useful tools in solving crime. There's no doubt about that. 24:22 Here, I'm going to go to you first on this. So I'm going to give her that modicum and say the police chief didn't seem like she had anything to say about it. She looked nervous, assistant chief. She's sitting in that seat because the last guy got fired. And I think there's somebody that's actually senior to her right now, so I don't know exactly why she was the one sitting there. But it seems very contentious in that administration. The mayor has come towards the city council and the police. 24:48 Very recently about putting more police officers out there as a way to curtail violent crime. And in downtown Seattle, they have, but it's spread into neighboring communities, neighboring neighborhoods. So it seems like the mayor there doesn't necessarily have the unfettered support of her own administration. And that was just like the next version of it. 25:08 You and I don't agree on a lot of things. I agree with you 100 percent. I mean, I'm for more cops in neighborhoods and communities. I'm for more training for cops. I'm for less ways for people who commit crimes to not go to jail when they commit violent crimes, which means we should end the cashless bail. And there clearly is some local politics going on here that I'm not aware of, that I'm not fully privy to. But I hope the cops get what they need to keep crime down in every part of that community. 25:32 Kellyanne, a lot of the anonymous sources, and I always air quote them when it's the Trump administration, so I'll air quote them in Seattle. A lot of the anonymous sources say the biggest problem there in Seattle is a lot of times people don't know who's in charge or what the direction is. It seems like one person said, I do not discount her intelligence, but she doesn't seem to be in control of anything. 25:52 No, we see who's in charge, and she's a disaster. As a candidate, she said that we don't need these cameras. They don't make us safer. As mayor, she's saying they're obviously a useful tool. I think we should call her a racist and a sexist for speaking over. 26:11 the black female assistant police chief, because if that were a white Republican male there, you bet that's what would be said. But beyond this awkward video, I think this shows everyone what happens and how quickly governing complicates your ideological absolutes. when you run as a certain thing, when you insist on certain principles, and then all of a sudden it confronts the reality of rising crime, or in this case of having what she sees as an effective tool in combating crime. 26:42 You're right that people don't know who's in charge, but we should always know who's in charge of our law enforcement of keeping us safe. And they should be respected and resourced in a way that Wilson doesn't seem capable of doing. 26:54 You see it here in New York City. Violent crime is up. 26:58 over a five-year high in violent assaults. But the FBI says that crime across the country is down to a 20-year low. And that tells you that this kind of leadership or lack thereof matters. 27:10 You know, Martha, I'm sure that you reported plenty on, was it CHOP or, I can't remember what the acronym was, but basically this autonomous area that... and Tifa, Black Lives Matter inspired folks during the Summer of Love created there in the city. And you look at that and you think, okay, well, they're burning down the city. They're creating havoc and chaos. People there that own businesses are having to shut them down. One of the reasons why they say they think crime has gone down is people have reinvested and come back and some of the trash left after COVID. But with all that said, you'd think a city like that would rebound and kind of swing towards the middle, swing towards the moderate, find someone that isn't as crazy, find someone that isn't as anti-police. 27:48 Katie Wilson got elected on less police, used social workers and things like that to solve this problem, and then she's had to inch her way back towards sanity as the city council and others in her administration say that's what we have to do. 28:03 They embraced her. They elected her. You're right. They seem to want a socialist mayor. But what we're seeing is that when you become the governing force in the city, you have to actually worry about something like safety. We see that here with Mayor Mamdani. I think he hasn't made the changes that he talked about in terms of the police force. 28:22 There was one class of police for of the police force that did not get to move through, which would have added more numbers to it. But I just you know, when she ran, she said that the cameras made people feel unsafe and that it took away their privacy. And there's a difference between saying that the cameras will make you safer. 28:39 Or that the cameras will help you track down these perpetrators, because if you can track down the perpetrators on the camera video, you find them, you put them in jail and you make them stay there. You don't let them out the next day. 28:51 Eventually, your crime is going to go down because people are going to realize that when they did something on the street, they actually got busted for it and they went to jail. So cameras can be extraordinarily effective in lowering crime because they make they hold people accountable. I think she's figuring that out slowly but surely. 29:06 You know, Tom, this is another one of those issues, the camera specifically. It crosses party lines because, you know, the very liberal mayor is not so sure about him, but also many of your libertarians or, you know, constitutional citizens that challenge the authority of police and don't appreciate government having access to spy on us. I mean, it does take at least an intellectual conversation. 29:26 Yes. And she was ready with that line. The funniest thing about this video was she had the line already and she didn't want to waste it. No. 29:34 She said they're obviously they're obviously an effective tool. That's what she was going to answer to anyone. And then when the question went to the police chief or the assistant chief, she couldn't help it. She had to jump in and give her a stock line. Now, the reason she has an answer for this, because before she was running against the cameras, is people were just gunned down in her city once again. Yeah. And. The person who did the mass shooting did another mass shooting in 2016 and got out. That's crazy. That's the problem. It's not the fact that there are too many there's too much surveillance going on. 30:05 It's that they are letting the criminals out to murder once again. That's what she has to answer for. 30:10 We dealt with this maybe a week ago on the show about these cameras. And I think people are concerned, to your point, the question you were asking about liberals, conservatives, libertarians. 30:19 These people are selling some of this information to private companies. That's what people don't want. If we can get that stuff settled, maybe we can get all this settled. But I've got to tell you, I'd much rather have the threat or risk of them selling my information somewhere because I'm not doing anything. than a killer going free or Nancy Guthrie's abductor and killer going free. That's why I want cameras. 30:39 If the camera's going to be up the way they are, there has to be safe parameters that a disgruntled police officer can't go track his ex-wife, stuff like that. I agree. Totally. All right. The Fastest is up next. 30:52 If I could look to him, you should call me Superman. If I'm alive and well believed. 31:10 Welcome back. Malls are making a shocking comeback, becoming one of the top performers in commercial real estate. Get this. They've shot up 13 percent year over year and are booming based on foot traffic alone. 31:25 My kids love them all. My daughter and her friends love them all. And I loved it as a kid. Do you have the same experience? Are you? 31:31 I loved it. I was a Jersey girl. We were mall people. My kids have been to malls. They didn't grow up in them quite the way we did because there's all these strip malls. If you want all this online shopping, I'm thrilled to hear this statistic, Harold, because I think there's like an economic democratization in the mall. You want to go to a luxury store. You want to go to the kiosk. You want to go to the really nice steakhouse. You want to go to the food court. And it's just a free, easy... almost innocent, safe way to socialize. And I'm happy to see this for lots of reasons, not least of which is it gets people offline, off online, it gets them offline doing something great. 32:10 Joey? Yeah, listen, I'm telling you, that show Stranger Things, I think that helped people romanticize malls, right? I mean, other than the big underground, otherworldly alien attacking it, the rest of it was pretty good. You got a shake shot there. I love the mall. I used to beg for a ride. Anybody in the neighborhood, take me to the mall, drop me off. With no agenda, just walk around. Got my steps in before steps were a thing. Ate at the cookie place. I wish they would make a comeback. I don't know they're going to in small towns, though. 32:37 Martha, your thoughts? 32:38 I grew up in New Jersey, too. I used to take the 146 bus, I think, on Saturday afternoon to Paramus Park Mall, which I think they made fun of on Saturday Night Live back then. But, yeah, we used to love to go to the mall and hang out with my girlfriends. But, you know, I think it's just there's so much retro interest now. I mean, people want things, places where they're going to see other human beings and they can hang out and talk to each other face to face and eat lunch. Chick-fil-A, I used to eat Chick-fil-A every Saturday afternoon. afternoon at the Bramish Park Mall. So I think it's I think it's great. 33:09 And I think it helps people be together. 33:13 Yeah. I think malls can make a comeback. The most successful ones have they've modernized. They have outdoor spaces. They have natural light. That is something. They need natural light. The reason malls got a bad rap is because they were totally enclosed and you would go in there and you wouldn't see the sun for the whole afternoon. So I like the malls that have outdoor, like indoor-outdoor, that have family activities. They've got to police the mall because you don't want, like, you know, ruffians. 33:43 Mashing grabs, which we had at the mall near my house. 33:46 And also... The malls should incorporate flea markets into them. So flea markets and malls. So you have the retail spaces and you have that flea market energy. That would be a great thing. 33:58 There are good malls and bad malls. It's true. 34:00 Yeah. 34:01 You want to name a bad mall? No. Some malls are fantastic. 34:05 Most good malls became bad malls. That's why we're having this topic. 34:07 I'm trying to accomplish too much with the roller coasters and whatnot. But you're right about nostalgia. 34:11 They got to bring back Blockbuster and Pizza Hut. 34:14 In movie theaters. Fan Mail Friday is up next. 34:37 It's Fan Mail Friday. Okay, here we go. From... 34:42 Good. We got a little title there. Tara W. says, what is a word you've always had a hard time spelling? Oh, Lord. 34:49 Supercalifragilisticexialidocious. 34:52 Really? Yes. Like, you get to spell that a lot. It comes, you know, writing letters. Harold, what's a word you have? 35:00 As a kid, I used to have a hard time spelling Mississippi. I'd forget one of the ones. 35:05 Oh, there's a whole song for that, man. Yeah. 35:07 A little bit of that, and I also got tripped up on spelling ubiquitous. Oh, yeah. 35:14 As a kid, I didn't know the word ubiquitous. 35:16 It means everywhere, but I couldn't spell it for a while. 35:19 There's a Webster's Dictionary of words that I have trouble spelling. I think the one I use the most that I can think of is like maintenance. I think I get that one wrong a lot. I think I definitely got hooked on phonics and never really figured it out. 35:31 It's like maintain ants or maintain ants. Which one is it? 35:35 It's I before E in less than these 15 other cases. I don't know. 35:38 I've always had a problem with I before E. I still like when I write receive, often it pops up and I have to hit the correction. I think it's like I'm left handed, left. I don't know. I and E always miss me. 35:49 My brother-in-law Keith's name is misspelled in my phone right now, and it'd probably stay that way. 35:53 What about you? What about you? B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L. Every time I write beautiful, I have to spell it in my mind. 36:02 What, two L's? 36:02 I can't say beautiful. 36:03 I have to say B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L. Beautiful with O's or two L's at the end? 36:09 I can do that. Regular way. 36:11 I can't do bureaucracy. What else you got? Okay, from Craig F. What was the worst punishment you ever received as a kid? Martha, hmm. 36:17 I got grounded. I mean, like, you know, come home after school every single day for a week. 36:23 Yeah. 36:23 And you can't talk on the phone. We know it grounded. 36:25 You don't have to define it. 36:27 No, but I mean, it was brutal. You couldn't even talk on the phone. 36:30 Double J. Spare the rods, pull the child. My mom believed that, and she broke a couple of paddles on me. I deserved it. It's okay. I love her. But she's got a collection of broken paddles. 36:38 Paddles? Yeah. Same thing. My favorite principal, second grade, Miss Jackson, paddled me for playing in the woods I wasn't supposed to go. And not only that, I got a spanking when I got home because my parents knew the principal, so it was embarrassing to the family. 36:49 Is principal P-A-L or P-L-E? Oh. Yeah. Ah, the principal is your pal, Kellyanne. 36:55 I was spanking. I was very spoiled. They took it. They took the phone out of my wall in my room. I had that round white phone from the time I was a teenager and taken it out. 37:04 Because you talked too much on the phone? They took away your phone privileges? 37:07 Because I came home after curfew. Oh, yeah. Marrow Berlinetta. 37:11 You know, my parents would never ground me. They would never announce the grounding. They would just say, I would be like, I'm going out. You're not going out. 37:20 Like, I would have to figure it out. 37:22 Like, how long will this be lasting? I need to know how long it's going to be. 37:26 You knew you were wrong, and you confirmed how they put it. 37:28 And my silent treatment. 37:29 I know. Well, one more thing is up next. Sorry, Ms. Jackson. 37:48 Time for one more thing. And I'm really happy to be able to make this big announcement here on The Five. And it is my new book. I've been working on it for the last two years. The Book of Valor, America's Story of Survival, Gallantry and Grace. It's the story of America told through chronological first-person narratives from the Mayflower to World War I and II to a Huey pilot who rescued thousands in Vietnam. The Man with the Red Bandana, the Battle of Shock Valley, Afghanistan. It goes all the way across our history in these decades. Each era has its own person and voice, including five Medal of Honor recipients. 38:21 So it really takes you through the danger and the discovery and the beauty and heartbreak of America. One of the best things is that the audiobook each has these voices playing these roles. 38:33 the people who are involved in this. We have Dana Barino. Britt Hume did the Civil War. Harold Ford Jr. did Harry Stewart Jr., who was an amazing Tuskegee Airman in World War II. I'm so grateful to all of these people for voicing these incredible stories. You can pre-order now. First time I'm announcing this, so buy it for yourself or someone you love that you want to share America's moving, remarkable story with. So Harold, up. Up to you. 38:57 Congratulations. Thank you so much for letting me be a part of that. Thank you. What a story. What a story. And consistent with that, 79 years ago today, President Harry Truman signed the National Security Act of 1947, which established the United States Air Force. Their first commander was Carl Spatz. He was actually called the chief of staff at the Air Force. More than 300,000 active duty members served today. Thank you again for their service and their families, and happy birthday to the United States Air Force. Absolutely. 39:25 Wonderful. 39:26 Tom. Oh, let's go to Florida. You heard about Florida, man. How about Florida crab? A crab brought a knife to a dogfight. Look, there we go. 39:36 It's a crab with a knife in its hand. Oh, yeah. 39:41 Greg is missing this out. This could be Greg's knife fight crabs. OK, I think that's. 39:47 Yeah, earlier today I got to speak at the Rockland County DA's office. Had a great time. 39:52 They'll roll through some pictures. Hopefully they'll show Detective Tim Hayes and Remy, the electronic detection dog, if they don't show it. There it is. That dog was so cute, not sure what it detects. That is it for us. 40:03 Listen to The Five ad-free on Amazon Music with your Prime membership or subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.